my father was an academic who kept getting degrees and the euro monday when they got his phd in the two southwestern ohio for high school and college in minnesota. came to new york immediately had been there ever since. most of it and western. have a lot of minnesota team spirit and a father point back of his sister mother father were there. a lot of dna for minnesota. c-span: is marketing your big name? >> guest: yeah. c-span: what is yours? >> guest: panderer region in danish. c-span: what is your sense comes the similar background for vice president mondale, you know, he was there. >> guest: it really wanted to have an interview because i really wanted to reflect his point of view. josh and i were eager to hear him out on this. but i can't tell you because i never even got a chance. >> guest: you keep reading all these connections in this town and in this case, these folks are making millions and millions of dollars. why didn't anybody stop? >> guest: people try to solve it. there's a wonderful and go to an episode in the book for the cbo, congressional budget office in the mid-90s d